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Post  Appkes on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:17 pm

The only thing I dislike is how you've squished the two systems into this document, but would it have been so hard to make a copy for each and flavour and tweak as suitable?
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Post  Ramsus on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:25 pm

I don't see what's wrong with the buff from 6 to 6+CM. It's not really a huge buff, Changelings and Earth Ponies are still weaker than they were before, Baby Dragons end up the same, most of the other races get a small buff, and I think Pegasi and Unicorns are the most effected gaining a whole 2 points more. Which I'm sure will make the Pegasi and Unicorns players happy where with 6 or 5+CM you're not really making those guys happy as much as you're making Earth Pony and Changeling players (and we seem to have a lot of both of these) sad because suddenly they're losing large chunks of what they used to be able to do.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:33 pm

So... let me get this straight... if I am a true-form changling and I transform into a pegasus, giving me Flight. Then level up whilst a pegasus... as I have flight, does that mean I can pick the Flight-school utility and still keep it if I transform into a different species?

And to be honest. Keeping the Cuite Mark's to just ponies makes sense, as its what makes them unique. At the same time, the other species having training in three skills if they don't have a cuite mark works for me.
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Post  Dr Blight on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:48 pm

I personally agree with the 6+CM/ES thing. It's a lot less limiting from a creation standpoint. Having it be equal also means everyone in both games is happy!

You said yourself Unicorns needed to feel more powerful, use that extra point to make them so. 6 points means the baby dragons don't change from their recent balancing. Same goes for other nonCM races. Everyone has something they're good at, not everyone gets a magic tattoo on their butt to show it is all. The extra points that were used on the CM before could be used to make the former CM races just be a little more special somehow. Everyone likes being a little more special.

In a changeling's case it'd let them take flight instead of it's almost like flying since they were born with wings that they must've gotten used to using in their life like any other race. There's no reason they wouldn't know how to use the wings they've had all their lives, nor a reason a pegasus should be innately any better than a changeling at flying. Without any training, they both have wings all their lives which they learned to use on their own. And neither creature is more aerodynamic than the other. (I'm sorry this is just a real sticking point for me for a lot of reasons)
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:55 pm

Problem with the last suggestion Blight is that Flight is a (3) point attribute, meaning the changlings have more points then the other species.
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Post  Dr Blight on Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:58 pm

how is that exactly? thousand faces +flight is still 6
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:02 pm

And then they lose the Ponykineses, which I'm pretty sure they have equal chance of having.

Then there is the true-form changlings...
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Post  Dr Blight on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:04 pm

Which they can take as a utility. You could also build a changeling with thousand faces +Almost like Flying+PK+...something else and take flight as a utility instead.

It opens up a lot more versatility which is sorta the point of a changeling. But it still gives the changeling the option to just be innately as good a flyer as a pegasus if the player wants.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:07 pm

Hey... I'm still not too sure about it...

But my question about the true-form's still stand. Can you take a talent which has a requirement of a racial trait if you level up in that form? And if you transform to a different race and lose the requirements, what then?
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:09 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:Hey... I'm still not too sure about it...

But my question about the true-form's still stand. Can you take a talent which has a requirement of a racial trait if you level up in that form? And if you transform to a different race and lose the requirements, what then?

You can certainly take that talent, yes, but if you lose the pre-req then you can't use that talent any more. It becomes invalid. However, it's encouraged to let players re-build their characters' utility talents between sessions if they like; provided they don't do it to crazy min-max (oh, I need to get to my allies at the start of the next session? I'll grab Rainbow Dash To Your Side!)

By the way, making two different documents for Genetic Engineering - one for each system - isn't going to happen. It's a major pain to keep two separate identical docs up to date.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:12 pm

So... if I start as a true-form changling in the form of a pegasus, for my starting utilities I'm allowed to take the flight-path?

Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?
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Post  Nehiel Mori on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:23 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?

Destinies.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:41 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:[color=blue]So... if I start as a true-form changling in the form of a pegasus, for my starting utilities I'm allowed to take the flight-path?

Yep. And it'll stay relevant as long as you're in any creature's form that flight in-built (like hippogriffs or griffins).
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:51 pm

Okay, that clear's things up easily... but the utility changing that you mention. That's only for a true-form changeling when it changes form, right?

You didn't answer the other question, so I'm guessing you don't actually know?
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Post  Masterweaver on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:00 pm

Dragonborn in Genetic engineering ends on an awkward note.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:19 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:Okay, that clear's things up easily... but the utility changing that you mention. That's only for a true-form changeling when it changes form, right?

You didn't answer the other question, so I'm guessing you don't actually know?

I'm pretty sure I did answer your question, so I clearly don't understand what you're asking - or you didn't understand the implications of my answer. Why don't you try asking it again?
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Post  Ramsus on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:21 pm

I think he got confused. You mentioned swapping out Utilities if the GM allows between sessions. Which I should point out is also something we can already do when we level up.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:22 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?

You kinda missed that out.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:42 pm

Nehiel already answered that Fury. He's one of our major designers, Chad Weeks.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:47 pm

Nehiel Mori wrote:
Fury of the Tempest wrote:Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?

Destinies.

Stairc -Dan Felder wrote:Nehiel already answered that Fury. He's one of our major designers, Chad Weeks.


... Well this is embarrassing... I completely missed the post originally...
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Post  Nehiel Mori on Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:58 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:
Nehiel Mori wrote:
Fury of the Tempest wrote:Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?

Destinies.

Stairc -Dan Felder wrote:Nehiel already answered that Fury. He's one of our major designers, Chad Weeks.


... Well this is embarrassing... I completely missed the post originally...

Its okay, you can still have destinies Razz
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:00 pm

Nehiel Mori wrote:
Fury of the Tempest wrote:
Nehiel Mori wrote:
Fury of the Tempest wrote:Oh and out of interest. What's the next expansion planned to be? Destinies? Boons? Combat Traits?

Destinies.

Stairc -Dan Felder wrote:Nehiel already answered that Fury. He's one of our major designers, Chad Weeks.


... Well this is embarrassing... I completely missed the post originally...

Its okay, you can still have destinies Razz

Guess I need to get to work on the one's I've made and really improve them!
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Post  tygerburningbright on Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:09 am

DAN! YOU SAID THERE WOULD NOT BE NERFING! YOU SAID THAT THE RACE EXPASION WOULD BE OPTIONAL! YOU SAID THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE ALRIGHT!
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Post  Ramsus on Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:11 am

tygerburningbright wrote:DAN! YOU SAID THERE WOULD NOT BE NERFING! YOU SAID THAT THE RACE EXPASION WOULD BE OPTIONAL! YOU SAID THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE ALRIGHT!

Sounds like another vote for 6+CM to me. (Though really no nerfing whatsoever would be even higher than that.)
Edit: Or involve changing the pricing on some stuff.
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Post  tygerburningbright on Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:16 am

IT IS MORE A VOTE FOR SENDING THIS BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.

Edit IT IS ALSO MY BELIEF THAT A LARGE AMOUNT OF RACE BASED WORK IS NOW USELESS DUE TO THE OTHER UPDATE.


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