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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:17 pm

Thank you for clarifying the original comment Fury, but I would rather *end* the argument here. This is not a thread for discussion of your personal opinion of someone else. Please refrain from pursuing this discussion any further. This is a happy place.
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Post  Ramsus on Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:42 pm

The fact that you have to declare it's a happy place kind undermines the statement don't you think? (That's a question so it's at least semi-relevant to the thread topic... *rolls eyes at self*)
Edit: The question was rhetorical, you don't actually need to answer.
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Post  Xel Unknown on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:49 pm

When it comes to the following two attacks:

[-X] Drain Blood - Minor Attack
Deal X damage to target creature. Target creature gains X+2 life. X cannot be less than 1.
[-2] Lash Out - Reaction Utility
Trigger - You damage a creature with an attack that targets only one creature.
Effect - Pay 4 life. If you do, deal 6 additional damage to that creature.
How do their effects combo? I mean could in theory the paying life trigger after or before the healing of the drain blood?
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Post  Ramsus on Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:57 pm

Drain Blood fully resolves before you use Lash Out since LO isn't an Interrupt.

Edit: Which is weird since this means that the 6 damage from LO gets it's own reactions with Resistance, Vulnerability, and damage boosting stuff.... It should probably be an Interrupt honestly. At which point, I think you would be able to choose to heal after paying the life.
Edit 2: In fact, as is, it should either be an Interrupt Utility or a Reaction Attack.
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Post  SilentBelle on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:02 pm

If you save against being dazed with a standard action, are you then able to use a minor action? Or do you get only 1 action to use on that turn regardless?

(I know in 4E it was the latter, but with this wording I think it might fall into the former category.)
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Post  Paper Shadow on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:06 pm

Question: If you are dazed (save ends), and you use Way Too Tough to make a saving throw against the daze and succeed, do you still get to make a minor action?

Likewise, if you use Deathly Vigour while dazed, roll a 10, trigger the Form of the Juggernaut 10 Special, and succeed the saving throw against the daze, do you still get to make a standard action?

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Post  A1C Bronymous on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:32 pm

If I use Perfect Focus, and am subjected to Ongoing damage, and I take no actual damage until my next turn, do I get the +2 pips before the ongoing, or does the ongoing apply first and negate the extra pips? Since they both happen "at the beginning of your turn".
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Post  Xel Unknown on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:43 pm

From what I know anything that get's tanked by Resist doesn't count as having taken damage.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:45 pm

Bronymous wrote:If I use Perfect Focus, and am subjected to Ongoing damage, and I take no actual damage until my next turn, do I get the +2 pips before the ongoing, or does the ongoing apply first and negate the extra pips? Since they both happen "at the beginning of your turn".

Since it's your turn, you get to choose the order the effects apply in. =)
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Post  A1C Bronymous on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:07 pm

Cool. So it should work then.

Paper Shadow wrote:Question: If you are dazed (save ends), and you use Way Too Tough to make a saving throw against the daze and succeed, do you still get to make a minor action?

Likewise, if you use Deathly Vigour while dazed, roll a 10, trigger the Form of the Juggernaut 10 Special, and succeed the saving throw against the daze, do you still get to make a standard action?

Bumping this, since I kinda hijacked his spot before he got an answer.
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Post  Ramsus on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:16 pm

The answer should be yes. Dazed blocks you ability to take types of actions, it doesn't take them away. So if dazed ends, you are no longer blocked and have access to them.
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Post  A1C Bronymous on Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:58 am

Can these two be used in conjunction?

[-2] Martyr’s Blessing - Minor Utility
Until the end of your next turn, whenever a creature would deal damage to target ally the damage is dealt to you instead.

[-2] Slashback - Interrupt Attack
Trigger – A creature hits you with an attack.
Effect - Deal 1d12 damage to the triggering creature.

I figure they can, but the wording isn't 100%. I figure since attacks are defined by doing damage, then intercepting damage is the same as being hit with an attack.

Also, these two:

[-2] Roar of Challenge - Minor Utility
Target creature and all creatures adjacent to it are subjected to your “Roar of Challenge” until the end of your next turn. A creature subjected to your, “Roar of Challenge” deals half damage on attacks that do not include you as a target.

[-2] Martyr’s Blessing - Minor Utility
Until the end of your next turn, whenever a creature would deal damage to target ally the damage is dealt to you instead.

If I use Roar, and an enemy targets a teammate, the damage gets halved. Then, the damage is shifted to me, so I take the halved damage. Right?
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Post  Ramsus on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:26 am

I think the second example you'd take full damage since it now includes you as a target, even if that wasn't the opponent's intent.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Wed Mar 20, 2013 9:30 am

Actually it says if the enemy targets someone that isn't you, so they target ally, damage halved then the blessing kicks in. IMO
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Post  Philadelphus on Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:18 pm

Technically, being dealt damage and being hit with an attack are considered two separate triggers that can happen separately (I asked earlier in the thread), but I'm pretty sure your first example works because the wording is "hits you with an attack" rather than "targeted by an attack". It doesn't even require you to take damage (like if a creature hits you for less damage than you Resist) – as long as they hit you with an attack, you can trigger Slashback.

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Post  Ramsus on Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:24 pm

I think "hit" implies they dealt the damage to you, even if you didn't take any damage as a result of something else. I'm pretty sure you couldn't Slashback if someone used Defender to block an attack from you, especially since it's already been clarified that you can Defender then Slashback.
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Post  Paper Shadow on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:11 pm

Few more questions...

Stunning Heron's Hoof is an Interrupt which triggers when a creature deals damage to you and stun the triggering creature until the end of its next turn. Does that mean:
  • The attack is cancelled?
  • If the attack cost pips, the pips spent on that attack is lost?
  • If the move was triggered on the target's turn, they would still be stunned at the end of their current turn, and remain stunned until the end of the next one?


Speaking of stunned, the description of stunned says you can't take standard, immediate, or free actions. Does that mean you can make minor actions?

Finally, on moves which make enemies make an attack against a target of your choice, or similar moves, if they use an attack which gives pips, do they gain pips? Likewise, if they make an attack that costs pips, do they lose pips?

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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:12 pm

Paper Shadow wrote:Speaking of stunned, the description of stunned says you can't take standard, immediate, or free actions. Does that mean you can make minor actions?

That's most likely just an error from when minor actions where introduced.
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Post  SilentBelle on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:26 pm

Paper Shadow wrote:Few more questions...

Stunning Heron's Hoof is an Interrupt which triggers when a creature deals damage to you and stun the triggering creature until the end of its next turn. Does that mean:
  • The attack is cancelled?
  • If the attack cost pips, the pips spent on that attack is lost?
  • If the move was triggered on the target's turn, they would still be stunned at the end of their current turn, and remain stunned until the end of the next one?


Speaking of stunned, the description of stunned says you can't take standard, immediate, or free actions. Does that mean you can make minor actions?

Finally, on moves which make enemies make an attack against a target of your choice, or similar moves, if they use an attack which gives pips, do they gain pips? Likewise, if they make an attack that costs pips, do they lose pips?

Yes, it cancels it, 1 on 1 battle with perfect focus you can infinite stunlock a single enemy who can only attack you Smile EDIT: and they use their pips, since pips are always spent first.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:27 pm

As its one-on-one, I'm guessing that the stun-lock trick won't be fixed...

Through that reminds me, can you chain defender then stunning heron hoof? Costly, but powerful.
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Post  Ramsus on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:31 pm

Yes you can.

Yes, when you grant things actions they can gain or lose pips. This is why I've never liked Paranoia.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:34 pm

6 PiP's... 4 if you use the Lightning Reflexes Trait to defend an ally from damage, then stun the opponent.

Would be good against a boss... if you have the means of getting 4-6 PiP's a turn... which I suppose is possible if you abuse Perfect Focus.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:44 pm

We'll probably be dropping Stunning Heron's Hoof to daze and possibly lowering the pip cost. There are just too many ways to easily break it. I'm really surprised more people haven't written about it, it's one of those powerful gems I slipped into the system.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:50 pm

Stairc -Dan Felder wrote:We'll probably be dropping Stunning Heron's Hoof to daze and possibly lowering the pip cost. There are just too many ways to easily break it. I'm really surprised more people haven't written about it, it's one of those powerful gems I slipped into the system.

How is it easy to break? It costs 4 PiPs and can only realisticly be used against one guy a turn.
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Post  Stairc -Dan Felder on Wed Mar 20, 2013 6:57 pm

Dark Bargain/Trance + items with bonuses to save ends + lightning reflexes + Stunning Heron's Hoof+Defender = "I can permastun the boss guys, enjoy killing him".
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