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Post  ZamuelNow on Sat Sep 14, 2013 6:40 pm

I guess it comes down to a bit of frustration that new combat items are being discussed and added in when the combat revamp isn't done yet. It just feels like it's adding more to the later workload instead of holding off so things are easier to balance and gauge. It's an all around system concern as opposed to issues with the individual items being added and I'd usually err on staying quiet since I can't do anything to improve the situation.
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Post  A1C Bronymous on Sat Sep 14, 2013 7:38 pm

Kindulas wrote:*shrugs*if you have reasons they might be a bad idea, do tell.
And Bronymous... the support given creature conjuration builds are nearly unrelated to weapon conjuration builds, which don't have the kind of support creature conjurers do
Talisman of Weapons - 1000 Gold
Trinket
Once per battle, if you possess a Conjure Weapon combat talent, you may reduce the cost of the Conjure Weapon talent by 3 energy. This cannot reduce the cost to below 0.
Mystic Sheath - 2500 Gold
Trinket
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Call to Arms - Free Utility [1/Battle]
Choose a Conjure Weapon talent you brought into battle with you. You may reduce the cost of that talent by 7 energy and use it immediately. This cannot reduce the cost to below 0.
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Reduce the energy cost of talents you use to conjure creatures or weapons by 2 energy. The costs can’t be reduced to below 0.
Staff of the Stars
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[-7] Conjure Staff of the Stars – Minor Utility [1/Battle]
You conjure a Celestial Staff in your hands. You can dismiss the Celestial Staff as a free action. While you are wielding a Celestial Staff , you cannot use your other combat talents. Instead you may use the combat talents below.

[+3] Starbolt – Standard Attack
You deal 1d12 damage to target creature.

[+1] Moonglow – Standard Attack
Deal 2d8 damage to target creature. Remove a (save ends) condition from yourself or an ally.

[-4] Sunflare – Standard Attack
Up to six target creatures are blinded (save ends).

[-5] Cometfall - Standard Attack
Deal 3d10 damage to target creature and 1d10 damage to each creature adjacent to it.

[-7] Celestial Rain – Standard Attack
Roll 2d10. Deal that much damage to up to six enemies. You and up to three allies gain hp equal to the roll result. The Celestial Staff vanishes.

Celestial Warrior
Prerequisite: Staff of the Stars
Reduce the energy costs of talents granted by the Celestial Staff by 1 energy.
Yeah, you went overboard with support options for creature conjurers, but weapons still have support, and its still more effective, if not just plain more, support than there is for other build options. There's nothing that tanks can buy to reduce their tank abilites' pip costs. Healer's can have the odd effect tacked onto their healing, but it doesn't support the healing, just augments it. Damagers just sit and watch as their builds get less and less effective with every update. There are some jack of all trades traits that apply to everyone, but they aren't nearly as good as recuding the pip cost of summoning a weapon- a key strategy and the point of pip balancing on weapon builds- to 0.
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Post  Paper Shadow on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:02 pm

Bronymous wrote:There's nothing that tanks can buy to reduce their tank abilites' pip costs.
Lightning Reflexes
Once per round, you may use a Reaction or Interrupt combat talent not granted from a trait or item for 1 less energy. This can’t reduce its cost to less than 0.
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Trigger - An ally subject to your “Guard” is targeted by an attack.
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Post  A1C Bronymous on Sat Sep 14, 2013 8:17 pm

Bronymous wrote:There's nothing that tanks can buy to reduce their tank abilites' pip costs..... There are some jack of all trades traits that apply to everyone, but they aren't nearly as good as recuding the pip cost of summoning a weapon- a key strategy and the point of pip balancing on weapon builds- to 0.
Specifics traits vs no specific traits, all around kind of useful vs makes the build cost nothing to operate.
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Post  Kindulas on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:01 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:I guess it comes down to a bit of frustration that new combat items are being discussed and added in when the combat revamp isn't done yet.  It just feels like it's adding more to the later workload instead of holding off so things are easier to balance and gauge.  It's an all around system concern as opposed to issues with  the individual items being added and I'd usually err on staying quiet since I can't do anything to improve the situation.
This is a fair point, and actually I need to give a heads up on this topic.

This next Friday will be our last expansion - for awhile at least. It was a fun summer experiment that has given us some good insight as well as, of course, awesome new content. However, there's a lot of questions about the core of the system right now, and lots of changes to make. So, we're going to work on fixing existent things and improving the system's framework after this week, as well as things like the Monster Manual, rules compendium and a DM guide. Hopefully once the system is in a clearer state adding content will become a smoother process.


Now, since we are doing one more, a thought on the Ban-Kai thing, cause we might as well brainstorm anyway - what if instead of just conjuring a more powerful version instead, the trait gave you a [-3] Minor Action you could use *while* wielding the normal conjured weapon in order to upgrade it - which would allow us to make them that much more powerful too. Though I suppose needing 9 pips value out of the trait would be more awkward to balance than 6...
I'm not sure how I feel about it, but the flavor seems cool, and it would be an excuse to make them more awesome.
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Post  Philadelphus on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:12 pm

Well, if next week is the last expansion for a while, I guess I'll put this in as a possible Enchantment:

Cloud Walking
Preparation Time: 10 seconds
For the next 8 hours, you and up to 6 allies gain the ability to walk on clouds as if you had the Weather-Crafting ability. You may physically move clouds around, but may not produce any weather affects from them such as rain or lightning.

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Post  ZamuelNow on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:25 pm

Kindulas wrote:This next Friday will be our last expansion - for awhile at least. It was a fun summer experiment that has given us some good insight as well as, of course, awesome new content. However, there's a lot of questions about the core of the system right now, and lots of changes to make.
Was wondering if these would keep going altogether or hit a stopping point. Guess we'll have to get our collective thinking caps on as far as this last batch of submissions is concerned. Curious about something. On a mechanical level, was there anything wrong with the suggestion "Questionable Credentials" from last week? Not sure if I'll attempt to suggest it again this week but trying to figure out if it had any outright flaws.
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Post  Kindulas on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:29 pm

Ah, yes.
What exactly is the flavor on that? I get the idea of history being useful for persuasion in some areas, but why deception exactly?
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Post  Xel Unknown on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:33 pm

Philadelphus wrote:Well, if next week is the last expansion for a while, I guess I'll put this in as a possible Enchantment:

Cloud Walking
Preparation Time: 10 seconds
For the next 8 hours, you and up to 6 allies gain the ability to walk on clouds as if you had the Weather-Crafting ability. You may physically move clouds around, but may not produce any weather affects from them such as rain or lightning.
Not totally sure if this should become a thing... Part of me likes the idea. But at the same time... Makes it harder for anyone who'd wanta build something who just had something enchanged to always have cloudwalking or something like that. Cloud Walking strikes me as something best talked with the GM about.
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Post  Kindulas on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:52 pm

It seems... so situational too. I mean I know the enchantments are, but when would you need to walk on a cloud?
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Post  Hayatecooper on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:54 pm

When going to a Pegasus city?
To hide from things?
When you want to flaff about?
nap in safety?
Stalking?
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Post  Xel Unknown on Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:57 pm

Strikes me as something the GM would give the players to get or something if it was needed...
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Post  ZamuelNow on Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:26 pm

Actually, cloud walking sounds like the very thing Magecraft should cover. Maybe even Magical Tricks if it's only supposed to be for a short time and the user has a high Arcana score plus a ton of free time.

Kindulas wrote:Ah, yes.
What exactly is the flavor on that? I get the idea of history being useful for persuasion in some areas, but why deception exactly?
It was the idea of someone spouting out big confusing words but either not knowing what they're talking about or being deliberately confusing, mainly the latter. Rather in line with the snake oil salesman archetype such as the Flim Flam Brothers.
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Post  Philadelphus on Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:23 am

Kindulas wrote:It seems... so situational too. I mean I know the enchantments are, but when would you need to walk on a cloud?
Well, say you have a pegasus with Weather-Crafting in the party. Have them grab a large enough cloud for the rest of the party to sit then, then use it as a ferry to bypass all kinds of difficulties.

Granted...it might not have a whole lot of good uses outside of that.

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Post  Zarhon on Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:01 am

Cloud walking is indeed a bit too situational (and very redundant with weather-crafting already sort of providing it). Why not allow it to provide some limited cloud-altering capabilities as well, to those affected (if you can touch clouds, you can probably shape them a bit as well)?

For instance, allowing the party to start making cloud constructions or tools (for instance, a surface to bounce off of), assuming they can reach the clouds.

Similar to cloud sculpting, only not so precisely defined (so as to be only usable as a fake decoy). Such a change would also be an opportunity to fix up or improve the current cloud-sculpting utility (which is rather specific in its use, not allowing much else than semi-reliable decoy making).

As far as the show goes, ponies apparently already have some limited control over clouds (Pinkie Pie juggles one in a diaper, somehow, and helps Rainbow Dash clear up one that was on the ground). There's also the minor quirk of Griffons (a race without weather-crafting by default, in this example, Gilda) being able to stand on cloud.

Cloud Walking - 1/day [Created by Xel Unknown & Zarhon]
Preparation Time: 10 seconds
For the next 8 hours, you and up to 6 allies gain the ability to walk on clouds as if you had the Weather-Crafting ability. You may physically move clouds around, and shape them into specific shapes, tools, minor constructions, or other objects, as though made of clay or silly-putty*. You may not produce any weather affects from them, such as rain or lightning, however.

* Like with Fabricate, skill checks for complicated designs and creations may be required.
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Post  Xel Unknown on Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:18 pm

For the final week of submissions:

[+2] Rocket Punch - Standard Attack
Pay 4 HP. Deal 2d6 damage to target creature.

&

[+3] Bloody Knuckles - Standard Attack
Pay 2d4 HP and deal damage equal to HP paid to target creature.


EDIT: Ingore these two suggestions... And look to my post two pages later.


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Post  ZamuelNow on Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:33 pm

This last week seems to have converted into a weird "too awesome to use" situation where I'm having so much difficulty figuring out what to submit.  Resubmitting Questionable Credentials would be good since it would be hopefully finally getting a History utility in the system.  Still, there's so many rewrite concepts going through my head right now.  Still, gonna submit this for now:

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Post  Zarhon on Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:54 am

Have a "One With The Waves" revamp proposal (using an old submission - waterborn), and a brand new racial.

One With The Waves revamp - Waterborn:

Waterborn (1) [Created by Zarhon & ZamuelNow] - replacing "One With The Waves"  
Characters of your race cannot be harmed by water-caused pressures or impacts, and cannot suffocate in water (though magical water jets and similar can still harm them in combat). Characters of your race can also safely spit pressurized water at will, up to 50 liters per day. These spouts of water are identical to that of freshwater sources, allowing for drinking, washing, extinguishing fires, watering plants, pushing/propelling small objects or creatures, or other uses.
Chameleon Skin - Racial:

Chameleon Skin (4)
Creatures of your race may cause their skin and hair to rapidly change from their regular colors/patterns, to match those of its surrounding at will, providing adaptive natural camouflage. This process takes 15 seconds for a basic imitation of the colors/patterns in your surroundings (+5 to DCs to notice you, whilst perfectly still), or up to a full minute for a near-perfect imitation (+10 to DCs whilst perfectly still, +5 whilst slowly moving in a same-colored area). You may also cause your skin and hair to change to a specific color or pattern of your choosing.
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Post  A1C Bronymous on Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:16 am

Bronymous wrote:Multiclass- Trait
Select 8 different combat talents as a Secondary combat Talent Pool (9 if you have Dangerously Talented). Whenever you roll initiative, you may select either your Primary or Secondary Talent Pool to choose what talents you bring into battle. Once per battle you may spend a minor action to switch to either your Primary or Secondary combat Talent Pool (whichever you did not bring into battle, reselecting your 5 combat talents).

[-8] The Hypest Beam- Standard Attack
Deal 3d20 damage to target creature. If you roll a 20, activate one of your specials at random. Skip your next turn.
Resubmits, Meteor Storm renamed, effect changed to skip your turn, because reasons. Not what I would call good reasons, but reasons enough.
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Post  ZamuelNow on Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:32 pm

Zarhon wrote:Have a "One With The Waves" revamp proposal (using an old submission - waterborn)
All things considered, One With the Waves somewhat feels like it needs a Thunderborn/Thunderbird type split where one is the breath weapon while the other is generic swimming ability. Granted, someone making whales/penguins could theoretically just not use the breath weapon if it's out of character. Waterborn is one of the odder omissions since there's water dragons in fiction and various hydrokinetics in other fiction.

Anyways, decided I am going to officially make Questionable Credentials my second suggestion of the week.

Questionable Credentials
You may use your History score in place of your Persuasion score when making persuasion checks to lie, trick, or deceive.
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Post  Paper Shadow on Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:33 pm

Power Overwhelming (Utility Talent):
Power Overwhelming
Whenever you spend a magic point, roll 1d100. On a 75 or higher, you fall unconcious for 1 minute. The use of the magic point fails, but the magic point is still spent. You start the day with an additional magic point.

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Post  Kindulas on Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:35 pm

Paper Shadow wrote:
Power Overwhelming (Utility Talent):
Power Overwhelming
Whenever you spend a magic point, roll 1d100. On a 75 or higher, you fall unconcious for 1 minute. The use of the magic point fails, but the magic point is still spent. You start the day with an additional magic point.
This is pretty funny, but I would be loathe to add more "get extra magic point" abilities... and actually, ones that do should probably have a drawback that doesn't mess with the MP itself.
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Post  Kindulas on Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:36 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:
Zarhon wrote:Have a "One With The Waves" revamp proposal (using an old submission - waterborn)
All things considered, One With the Waves somewhat feels like it needs a Thunderborn/Thunderbird type split where one is the breath weapon while the other is generic swimming ability.  Granted, someone making whales/penguins could theoretically just not use the breath weapon if it's out of character.  Waterborn is one of the odder omissions since there's water dragons in fiction and various hydrokinetics in other fiction.

Anyways, decided I am going to officially make Questionable Credentials my second suggestion of the week.

Questionable Credentials
You may use your History score in place of your Persuasion score when making persuasion checks to lie, trick, or deceive.
That actually makes a fair amount of sense... if we need to buff one with the waves, makes sense to have a version that works for races that don't have a spit water power.
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Post  Kindulas on Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:39 pm

Zarhon wrote:Have a "One With The Waves" revamp proposal (using an old submission - waterborn), and a brand new racial.

One With The Waves revamp - Waterborn:

Waterborn (1) [Created by Zarhon & ZamuelNow] - replacing "One With The Waves"  
Characters of your race cannot be harmed by water-caused pressures or impacts, and cannot suffocate in water (though magical water jets and similar can still harm them in combat). Characters of your race can also safely spit pressurized water at will, up to 50 liters per day. These spouts of water are identical to that of freshwater sources, allowing for drinking, washing, extinguishing fires, watering plants, pushing/propelling small objects or creatures, or other uses.
Chameleon Skin - Racial:

Chameleon Skin (4)
Creatures of your race may cause their skin and hair to rapidly change from their regular colors/patterns, to match those of its surrounding at will, providing adaptive natural camouflage. This process takes 15 seconds for a basic imitation of the colors/patterns in your surroundings (+5 to DCs to notice you, whilst perfectly still), or up to a full minute for a near-perfect imitation (+10 to DCs whilst perfectly still, +5 whilst slowly moving in a same-colored area). You may also cause your skin and hair to change to a specific color or pattern of your choosing.
Chameleon Skin... I am super torn about this. One one hand, it's super flavorful as a racial. It feels like we've got to have it. But mechanically... it's so much of a min-maxy "take me for stealth!" racial. The mechanics don't fit for the system, but the flavor can't be anything else...
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Post  Kindulas on Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:43 pm

Xel Unknown wrote:For the final week of submissions:

[+2] Rocket Punch - Standard Attack
Pay 4 HP. Deal 2d6 damage to target creature.

&

[+3] Bloody Knuckles - Standard Attack
Pay 2d4 HP and deal damage equal to HP paid to target creature.
You know, this reminds me of my idea
[+1] Blood Arrow - Standard
Deal 2d8 damage to target creature and you lose that much hp

But... I think these concepts would be best at +2, since we already have Blood Slash, but it seems more attractive if the "pay life for above the curve damage" came with more than the +1 pip gain
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