Re: Oh, The Places You'll Go - S5 Pony Discussion

**Paper Shadow** Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:31 pm

WHY MUST ALL EPISODES DEAL WITH THINGS PROPHESIED AS THE END TIMES?!

Rarity got her Canterlot Shop, the CMC got their Cutie Marks, and now this. How long has this been planned for again? The first merchandise for this foal was like years ago or something, right? Seriously, if this baby is born and Rainbow Dash joins the Wonderbolts before season's end, stat panicking!

Zarhon Sat Oct 17, 2015 11:20 pm

Cardbo wrote:Or Foal Psychologists.

Sounds like a good job to have, well paying, and they've already proven they can do it for adults as well, with Troubleshoes.

Anyway, new episode! The One In Which Pinkie Knows!

The One Where Pinkie Knows:

TLDR stuff:

- Baby! Kind of expected, but surprising that it's spilled so, well, early.

- Ponies have pregnancy tests, apparently.

- Derpy sighting! Now with Dinky in immediate vicinity to her.

- So much meta/4th wall breaking from Pinkie. A solid, silly episode for her. Animators went out of their way with all the faces and sillies.

- Rarity apparently calls Pinkie 'Miss Pie' now?

- Shiny confirmed, as per comic canon, as a geek with troubling childhood idols.

- The episodes moral appears to be... don't spoil/leak pony episodes or you'll ruin others fun and enjoyment? Okay...?

- The only truly 'weird' part of this episode is Rarity's sudden SERIOUS BUSINESS regarding the secret-keeping. Might be just her over-dramatic tendencies, though.

Paper Shadow wrote:WHY MUST ALL EPISODES DEAL WITH THINGS PROPHESIED AS THE END TIMES?!

Rarity got her Canterlot Shop, the CMC got their Cutie Marks, and now this. How long has this been planned for again? The first merchandise for this foal was like years ago or something, right? Seriously, if this baby is born and Rainbow Dash joins the Wonderbolts before season's end, stat panicking!

The 'baby merch' was technically as old as three years ago. Judging by the episode lineup remaining, the Wonderbolts seems unlikely, barring the finale episodes, as does the sudden 'birth', since Cadence is nowhere near the 11-month period. For the already confirmed Season 6, though...

More things to watch out for: Fluttershy's family/brother, Rainbow Dash's mother/other family, Scootaloo's family, surprise mane-six marriages/ships/romances, Rarity's 'Him', 'years from now in happy future' episodes, flashback-clip episodes, Celestia becoming Nightmare-Moon version of herself, Derpy family reveals, more Zebra/other races reveals, Discord's or other villain's pasts, Grogar as a villain, return of Sombra/Chrysalis, Starswirl the Beared info, and finally, the big-whopper that is Applejack's schrodinger's parents.

The rest of Pinkie Pie's family is notably getting an episode soon...

Cardbo Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:15 am

Noticed Shining had an Action Comics #1. Nice little shout-out. Wonder what the equestrian equivalent of Superman?

A1C Bronymous Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:50 am

One thing I just noticed while watching- the song playing when Pinkie is doing the deliveries sounds like a remix of the Candy Mountain song from Charlie the Unicorn.

I think that was a pretty great episode, I feel like I enjoyed it more than the last few recently. And I think it might be my all around favorite Pinkie Pie episode, which I usually find a little tiresome.

A1C Bronymous Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:17 pm

Inb4 the people who actually post useful thing sin this thread: MLP shows us the meaning of holiday traditions in the newest episode, by following the most important tradition of all- Starting Christmas in October. Seriously, why is this one airing now?

Its good though. The plot is pretty easy to guess from the start, but the gags you'd expect manages to be stretched via Pinkie Pie family-ness.

BIG THING! Pinkie is a twin sister to Marble pie. Also, Maud returns with a few classic lines ("They're all about rocks.").

The rest is pretty cut and dry. Some good reaction faces from this one, though, especially from Limestone.

Zarhon Sat Oct 24, 2015 10:03 pm

Well, guess it's time to post useful things in this thread. The latest episode seems to imply either that the chronology of Equestria is wholly out of whack, that time shenanigans are happening, or that the show creators are saving the finale episodes for the Christmas Season (instead of the actual Christmas episodes).

This season had quite a few 'game-changers' in the middle of it, so they might have been forced to arrange them as such to avoid 'spoilers' leaking in from other episodes (such as the CMC's cutie marks - the leaked Halloween episode would have spoiled them if they didn't wear full-body costumes, and Applebloom has hers in this episode).

Happy Hearth-mas! Have some embed/pony.

Hearthbreakers:

So, this episode teaches us a lot of things about the Apple Family! Namely, that they're all freaks of some sort.
- Maud returns, showing off her expanded knowledge of all things mineral, and revealing that she has a TF/rock kink.
- Limestone Pie! Her cutie mark is a lime and pair of salt-rocks. Ergo, she's bitter and salty, and has a power high from running the 'farm'.
- Marble Pie! She's a worthy contender with Fluttershy on the shyness-daaaaw scale. Her cutie mark is marbles and she is adorable and immediately got shipped by Pinkie Pie.
- Igneous and Quartz Pie! They're stereotypes, and apparently married through ~~bloodstone circles~~ 'choosing stones'.

As for other things:
- Malt Cider is a thing, confirming alcoholism as a thing!
- Seems the family is less 'farmers' and more 'miners', and includes arcane glowing crystals in their 'agriculture'.
- Applepie and/or MarbleMac are a thing! Which is then immediately put to debate due to the 'cousins' issue!
- The episode has more morals than usual, including 'not everything about presents', 'don't force personal rituals onto others', and 'everyone has different customs and they may seem weird but there's usually a reason for it'.
- Still no explanation what spawned the two Royal Sisters and made them part of the Equestrian flag.
- The Pie familiy may in fact be gaining cosmic powers from the Holder's Bolder (which is obviously some sort of dragon egg thingy). The proof? They eat rocks, which is a trait only dragons could consider part of a 'normal' diet.
- A few jokes are repeated (Maud Poetry, Pinkie Hooves, rock-munching), which is slightly disappointing but also a nice reference.
- The whole scene of 'AJ ruins the day' is a bit awkwardly performed. The family outright refuses to participate with AJ's idea of 'rituals' (compared to the apples who at lest tried theirs), and Deus Ex Machina causes a major disaster with Holder's Boulder and pins the blame on AJ.

A1C Bronymous Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:20 pm

The Pie familiy may in fact be gaining cosmic powers from the Holder's Bolder (which is obviously some sort of dragon egg thingy). The proof? They eat rocks, which is a trait only dragons could consider part of a 'normal' diet.

Fucking nailed it. All I could think that whole time, and then it was never questioned.

Zarhon Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:42 pm

Spooky, y'all!

This week we had Scare Master, which I detailed in a previous post via time-travel shenanigans. Fluttershy remains awesome. Applelion remains adorable.

A1C Bronymous Sun Nov 01, 2015 3:46 pm

As with the previous nightmare night episode, costumes were great. Derpy wins as Princess Twilight Sparkle, though.

Zarhon Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:55 pm

Another fairly good episode! Discord always livens up the episodes, but this one had a rather interesting approach to the 'moral'.

What about Discord?:

So, important bits!
- Spike has a spa-relaxation fixation. He's pretty damn amusing this episode as the audience voice, eye-roller, snark-master, and 'the guy that should be listened to before you go doing insanely idiotic things'.
- Twilight is as dorky (or even dorkier) than usual, much to Spike's inconvenience. She's also pretty dang good at denial - up until she goes hopping over the line of logic into batshit-insanity. All of the episode's problems stem from Twilight being stubborn, in denial, refusing to show any sign of weakness, and taking an (insanely) clinical approach to understanding 'the joke'. In other words, very much like Dr. Leo's role in the name-referencing "What about Bob?".
- Discord is notably less amusing than in previous incarnations, possibly to enforce the 'you had to be there' effect onto the audience, though he gets a few references in. He also notably makes a precedent by not being in the wrong - his morals pretty much hits Twilight hard in the truth-zone. He may have been ultimately a bastard, but he did raise several good points and completely correct statements throughout, legitimately befriended most of the Mane Six with very little foul play involved. He did get a 'karmic' resolution for his few dickish moves, though.
- The moral of this episode ("You're allowed to feel bad for missing out on stuff, and shouldn't be resented for it or dwell on it", plus "You shouldn't be ashamed to hide your negative feelings, as nobody's perfect." and "A joke isn't funny for everyone, and explaining it is a bad idea.") is pretty jarring, as it comes from the 'troublemaker' and actually humbles the normally high-horse main character.
- Time travel is notably avoided as a potential solution to the plot, and as a future (heh) plot device they will readily use.
- Starlight Glimmer! She's still out there, spying on the gang.

A1C Bronymous Sun Nov 08, 2015 1:18 am

LUDICROUS SPEED, GO!!!!

Discord is Alpha Savage.

Zarhon Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:57 pm

New episode! This time about warfare, feuds, and hyper-intelligent animals!

The Hooffields and McColts:

TLDR stuff
- FS and TS's cutie map episodes! As before, it seems one of the duo will have an idea to fix it, but fail, and the other's natural talent will come through (then get finished with the help of the first).
- Ponies confirmed for siege warfare.
- The moral is pretty straight - don't do blood-feuds, guys. Also, war ruins lives and cooperation is better.
- The animals are apparently geniuses. They understand the nuances of literature, and they have a lore-based memory spanning generations (remember, the feud started before any family members were so plentiful) with no assistance from written sources.
- Twilight is pretty meta in this episode, with re-using previous 'solutions', and researching, and poking fun at future/past episodes.
- Fluttershy as usual is adorable, and takes some of Spike's job of being minor comic relief.

Cardbo Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:16 pm

Zarhon wrote:
- Fluttershy as usual is adorable, and takes some of Spike's job of being minor comic relief.

Tonight! The role of Spike will be played by Fluttershy.

Zarhon Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:06 pm

Penultimate episode before the finale!

The Mane Attraction:

TLDR facts:

In regards to next episode, it's the finale two-parter, and there's already a preview commercial!

Finale episode spoilers below!:

Cardbo Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:17 am

I must ask.
Oh, The Places You'll Go - S5 Pony Discussion - Page 4 Medium

Why is Pinkie a giraffe?

On a more serious note, this reminds me of Van Helen's contract, which demanded a bowl of M&Ms be provided backstage with all the brown ones removed, which unlike the episode, had a practical point to it.

Zarhon Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:11 pm

The final episodes of the two-parter hath arrived!

The Cutie Re-Mark, Pt.1:

The Cutie Re-Mark, Pt.2:

TLDR stuff!

- Somehow, it's a lot less crazier than expected. But certainly 'threatening' and 'world changing', and cements the Mane Six as 'universal constants', and the universe literally depends on RD being awesome. Feels a lot like a Dr. Who episode, really.

- We get a glimpse of every 'what if' scenario involving the Mane Six losing/failing (excluding, ironically, the one of Starlight Glimmer succeeding in her own 'debut' plot, and a 'Nightmare Sun' scenario. Maybe season 6...), and they're pretty logical and grim/dark/grimdark.

- Starlight Glimmer really sells it this episode - being both snarky AND smarter than every other villain so far, having a good plan/plot that almost succeeds, having a good point/motivation... To the point of being stopped only by being talked out of it. She also seems to be flat out better at Twilight's original show role (magic things!). Which is worrying considering the ending.

- Sombra is still, well, voiceless, but certainly more threatening. As are certain other villains. Nobody is killed, of course, merely implied to be 'destroyed'.

- Starlight's backstory is certainly... weird. She didn't try to revisit the old friend? He stopped existing, or something...?

- Mane7, as a possibility? It's certainly... possible, now, and we know season 6 is a thing... It's a bit out of the blue, of course, but eh. She also seems capable enough to mingle with all of the Mane Six without issues (with access to both flying and magic).

- Flutterdash confirmed, by the Element of Honesty herself.

- Song is still un-memorable, if fitting.

- The 'what ifs' of the Mane Six are rather... Well, I expected more, somehow. Maybe I'm spoiled on crazy/awesome. The best is probably the Sombra-verse (cybertech replacements confirmed). And Batponies are apparently a Luna-specific thing, if RD's 'wing swap' is any indication.

- Good full-cast ending for the season!

**Paper Shadow** Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:42 pm

Zarhon wrote:- Starlight's backstory is certainly... weird. She didn't try to revisit the old friend? He stopped existing, or something...?

- Mane7, as a possibility? It's certainly... possible, now, and we know season 6 is a thing... It's a bit out of the blue, of course, but eh. She also seems capable enough to mingle with all of the Mane Six without issues (with access to both flying and magic).

For young children, if a friend leaves your life for any reason, chances are you aren't gonna meet each other again. And that's in a world with the internet. It is sure to be more of an absolution in Equestria. The vagueness of it all also allows for the application to any case where the friend is gone forever, but most notably Death (hello again Tanks For The Memories). This is why Twilight doesn't just reunite Starlight with her old friend, it'd ruin the catch-all application of the morale...

As for Mane 7, a possibility, and I understand why. In the show's dynamic, Twilight was originally the character who had to learn about the many aspects of friendship. But then, well, she did that. Twilight's appearances as a main character who experienced developed was little this season. Outside of the two-parters, you've got Amending Fences and What About Discord. Maybe some part of Party Pooped or something. Outside of that, she didn't do much. She mostly gave exposition, or did an unimportant thing that doesn't really develop her character, like keep an eye on Discord during the Gala, model a dress, sleep, find out she is gonna be an aunt, so on so forth. So you've got a character who now is built around exploring more complicated aspects of friendship, and a void for the learning of the basics. So enter Starlight. I guess Hasbro didn't want the writers to remove Sunset from the EG line of stuff or something. This all being said, I'm not feeling it, especially considering the skepticism the Mane 6 had against Discord for a good while, they seem okay to get chummy with the pony who stole their cutie marks and all that. Maybe it's a race or gender thing, I dunno...

Also, if Season 6 doesn't have a villain that causes famine/wastelands, I will be disappointed. On that note, I have to wonder exactly how the time travel spell worked with Starlight. She even says that it takes her back in time whenever Twilight uses it, but only Twilight is aware of the future. So what's up with that?

Also, I guess this is the end of the line. Goodbye Season 5 thread, wish whoever makes the next season's thread good luck on coming up with a good name for it...

Cardbo Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:38 am

I find it odd that in the first and second and others, they were able to deal with the likes of Nightmare Moon and Discord without the EoH, but are somehow stopped by Chrysalis and Sombra. Did an alternate bunch of Element Bearers come into play? Were Nightmare Moon and Discord stopped without the Elements? Odd.

EDIT: I also find it odd that the only one who commented on Twilight being an alicorn was Rainbow Dash. You'd think that was more noticable.

A1C Bronymous Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:46 am

Without having finished the episode, I just want to chime in and mention how war torn Equestria has officially taken the show every place I ever wanted it to go. No dumb pastry fights. Actual war.

Wonderbolt combat flightsuits are the COOLEST.

EDIT: Aww, that didn't last long. Oh well.

REEDIT: I don't think that song was necessary. Seemed like an obligatory inclusion because all the other finales had one (or several). I appreciate that it was just one this time, at least.

I think Season 5 was a success. An overarching plot between the premier and the finale, a notable villain, and a lot of hype-inducing episodes. Including this one. I loved it, I found myself cheering for every cameo (including Flim and Flam- though I'm not sure how their future is worse than literally any of the others).

And now the hiatus, but honestly, for the first time since season 2, I feel like I'm going to be able to rewatch old episodes and really enjoy them. The show is in its prime, running full speed. I hope it lasts through the next season, at least, before the inevitable slow burn out...

Zarhon Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:33 am

Also, if Season 6 doesn't have a villain that causes famine/wastelands, I will be disappointed. On that note, I have to wonder exactly how the time travel spell worked with Starlight. She even says that it takes her back in time whenever Twilight uses it, but only Twilight is aware of the future. So what's up with that?

We still have the pretty awesome-looking Grogar as an old-gen villain that's yet to be revealed.

As far as the time travel goes...
1) It seems to be linked to whoever is holding/using the scroll (Twilight, and Spike), and goes through the portal itself. Starlight made herself automatically 'part' of the scroll spell, without needing to participate in the alternate versions of Equestria by being sucked back. It's also possible that the 'suck back' part was due to the Cutie Map trying to 'right a wrong'.

2) Starlight is very possibly dead, or in her equality town, in all the alternate dimensions.

I find it odd that in the first and second and others, they were able to deal with the likes of Nightmare Moon and Discord without the EoH, but are somehow stopped by Chrysalis and Sombra. Did an alternate bunch of Element Bearers come into play? Were Nightmare Moon and Discord stopped without the Elements? Odd.

It might be that it's linking them by 'severity', in order. Sombra's version is war-torn, but they could win the war. But it doesn't account for the Changeling Invasion being a hair's breath from winning, or Flim & Flam being 2nd worst to a lifeless world (and something worse would follow that - the complete destruction of the planet?).

Sombra and Chrysalis are notable as they weren't beaten by the EoH - Sombra was beaten by Spike (potentially unhatched) and Cadence/Shining Armor, whilst Chrysalis was beaten by Cadence/Shining armor's (Twilight would need to free Cadence to ensure the 'love explosion'). Discord was befriend-able or even could have had a reformation spell cast, so that might have been a temporary crisis.

Tirek would have to have escaped from his prison and drained enough ponies, and none of the villains would allow that if they could (Discord outright stopped him originally).

Season 6-wise, we've still got a few things to find out about or see!
- Starswirl the Beared.
- Past villain origins (Chrysalis, Sombra, etc... Comics don't really count)
- Fluttershy's, Rainbow Dash's, Scootaloo's parents/family.
- AJ's parents, still AWOL.

A1C Bronymous Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:44 am

Her parents are DEAAAAD.

I'm pretty sure that was officially implied way back when. ~~Then again, death has yet to be a thing in the show~~ Nevermind, that funeral happened, so death is a definitely a thing.

That's what I want to see from Season 6. Tank "Hibernating" was a lame cop out, let's see a real character death.

Season 7 can be Game of Thrones.

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