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Post  sunbeam Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:45 pm

Since at least 2 of us have vengeance, and the heads are separately targettable, can you specify which head is doing which action?
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:53 pm

Snake, Goat, Cat. In order of what happens both in RPing section and the mechanics section.
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Post  ZamuelNow Thu Oct 16, 2014 5:44 pm

While Fury is correct on the order, I'll make sure to state that for future attacks.
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Post  sunbeam Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:46 pm

mjh6 wrote:reaction:
Guardian Spirit - 3 Charges
{1} Guard - Reaction
Trigger - An ally is targeted by an attack
Effect - Reduce the damage that ally takes by 8.

Spending one charge to reduce Lightning's damage

I've edited my HP to account for this. I also added in a saving throw I forgot to fail.
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Post  Dusk Raven Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:09 pm

Doc, the flavor text says you're healing Living Lightning but the battle text says Evil Eye, which is it?
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Post  Doc pseudopolis Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:40 pm

Dusk Raven wrote:Doc, the flavor text says you're healing Living Lightning but the battle text says Evil Eye, which is it?
Oops. Hang on I'll edit it, I intended to heal Evil Eye by the way.

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Post  sunbeam Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:43 pm

Rake takes effect on the next turn, right? Or at least after all the damage that bounced around this turn.
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Post  ZamuelNow Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:52 pm

Yes, next turn. Thus, you have a chance to save against it without taking extra damage.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:55 pm

So what counts as an attack for Challenge and the like? Actually, does Challenge trigger for AoE attacks that don't include you?
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Post  sunbeam Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:03 pm

"Challenge: When a creature is Challenged, it’s always Challenged by another creature. A creature can only be Challenged by one creature at a time, so if it is Challenged by a new creature, the old Challenge goes away. When a Challenged creature uses an Attack Power, if it doesn’t target the creature that applied the Challenge, that creature may deal 1d10 damage to the Challenged creature for each Level you have. For example, if you are level 3 your Challenge would deal 3d10 damage."
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So anything that doesn't target you that deals damage is a good bet.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:05 pm

Awesome! Good to know.

Now I just need to know what counts as an attack and what didn't...
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Post  ZamuelNow Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:21 pm

Fury of the Tempest wrote:So what counts as an attack for Challenge and the like? Actually, does Challenge trigger for AoE attacks that don't include you?

Pretty sure it triggers with AOE, thus the attack on Living Lightning so it wouldn't trigger the challenge.  I'm counting all attacks and the first turn application of this enemy's ongoing damage application (basically the snake attacks that remove armor).

EDIT: Double checked the Basic Powers list and ongoing damage without direct damage is not tagged as a an attack. Added attack tags to the OOC for the other attacks. Living Lightning doesn't get the Challenge damage since he was hit by the multihit attack from the lion. Added the neglected Weakness subtractions.
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Post  sunbeam Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:46 pm

I've been very precise about when my challenge activates. Honestly, the fact that it happens so rarely is a sign that I'm doing this tanking thing more or less correctly.

Also, I've edited my HP total to match the new damage.
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Post  ZamuelNow Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:47 pm

Was getting Challenge and Vengeance mixed up. My bad on that.
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Post  sunbeam Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:31 pm

granted Saving throw vs. ongoing: 1d6=3. Nothing.
I appreciate the effort, though.
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Post  ZamuelNow Sat Nov 01, 2014 11:47 pm

Um, that second saving throw is a 6 so that would have removed it.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:12 pm

Is it me, or does the Ranger's Quickdraw ability (+2 pips for minor actions & extra minor action) work even better for Spellblade's then the Spellblade's 2/encounter Spellblade merging ability? And for that matter, is it me, or is there not much in empowering a retribution focused person (like Storm) save for using Spellblade's on those abilities?
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Post  mjh6 Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:26 pm

I know Quickdraw is what I'm picking for Supernova's first trait.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:30 pm

mjh6 wrote:I know Quickdraw is what I'm picking for Supernova's first trait.

Great minds think alike,
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Post  mjh6 Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:36 pm

Ha. As for the other things... most of the retribution based stuff seems centered on challenges, although they do have one that gives extra energy for reactions. Don't know if that'll help.

And yeah. Currently there are only 3 actual upgrades for spellblade, and one is legendary. No wonder I've been picking mostly ranger traits when planning level-ups. Maybe we could go find a place to make suggestions and ... make suggestions?
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Post  ZamuelNow Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:41 am

I'm curious to how popular bladespells are in other campaigns here. Due to various reasons, I don't think the devs anticipated their popularity. Plus, they underwent a major buff before finalized.
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Post  mjh6 Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:52 am

What kind of buff?
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:18 am

They were buffed? And they are popular?
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Post  ZamuelNow Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:23 pm

I don't know if they're popular, that's what I'm curious about.

Sunbeam and I had been discussing some things when the system was first released on how some things weren't as flexible or feasible as they initially seemed. Bladespells were one of these since the prior form had the effect expire at the end of the turn. Thus, if none of your teammates had Warlord powers, you were pretty much stuck with bladespell -> standard attack. In forming the sample builds, it was figured that these would be really good for tanks if it lasted longer. After heavy discussion with Dan and the rest, it got changed to the current form where they don't expire.

This is an example of different thought processes affecting things. It's possible bladespells were only viewed as a supplement to your strategies instead of being the whole strategy. They aren't the only thing with rather few trait options. That said, they explicitly want at least some mix of choices than only being narrow.

mjh6 wrote:Maybe we could go find a place to make suggestions and ... make suggestions?

I'll probably start those up later. There's been disappointingly little conversation about the system(s) in the past few months.
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Post  Fury of the Tempest Thu Nov 06, 2014 2:46 pm

ZamuelNow wrote:
mjh6 wrote:Maybe we could go find a place to make suggestions and ... make suggestions?

I'll probably start those up later.  There's been disappointingly little conversation about the system(s) in the past few months.

I'm pretty sure there's a trait or two I could come up with... especially for punishers and spell-blades like myself. Maybe one to help you use your spell-blade abilities for reactions.
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