Re: Discord's Game Signup/OOC

tygerburningbright Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:38 pm

Soo what exactly is happening? Just skipping to the next room?

The Warrior of Many Faces Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:45 pm

tygerburningbright wrote:Soo what exactly is happening? Just skipping to the next room?

Well, I figured that we'd continue from where we were. Given kaji's quick thinking with the battering ram (I'd rule that it would use up a turn, but given the damage done, I think it'd be worth it), you'd be fighting a very injured NMM (Hey, even goddesses have difficulty fighting with shards of metal in their skull). So unless the dice love NMM, you shouldn't be dying because I forced you into this encounter.

Does that help clarify things?

Xel Unknown Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:53 pm

I'd also suggest that try to plan for maybe next time you end up wanting to play with a boss build, try to have it be reflavored or something... For exmple in my game I had two bosses set up. Then my players ended up fighting the second boss with the first as an ally in the fight. If we were to end up with something like that I'm sure that'll make the skill checks feel like they did something and make the players feel awesome. Or if you had discord make the Celestia statue come to life and act as the boss that too would've made the whole scene feel more like Discord being behind the plot twist and not you Warrior the GM of the campaign which was my biggest complaint.

A GM has to work with the Players give them to work with. Try not to remove their sense of achievement cause that'll just remove next to all fun for us the player.

The Warrior of Many Faces Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:05 pm

Xel Unknown wrote:I'd also suggest that try to plan for maybe next time you end up wanting to play with a boss build, try to have it be reflavored or something... Or if you had discord make the Celestia statue come to life and act as the boss that too would've made the whole scene feel more like Discord being behind the plot twist and not you Warrior the GM of the campaign which was my biggest complaint.

A GM has to work with the Players give them to work with. Try not to remove their sense of achievement cause that'll just remove next to all fun for us the player.

Well, I see your point, but there's one thing that makes that difficult: My monsters don't tend to reflavor well. What works for a Nightmare Moon build doesn't work for a Celestia statue, because there are entirely different strategies involved. In combat, Celestia is more direct than NMM ever was, and a statue boss would require a somewhat mindless plan of attack from the statue, which again doesn't work for NMM. Especially since the odds of NMM just leaving you to fight the statue by yourselves is a bit low, given that those statues are the proof of her having been tricked. So then I'd have NMM = the party fighting a NMM reflavor, which doesn't work in any challenging way.

That being said, there were probably better ways I could have handled the issue. A second boss might have worked, although that does risk balancing issues given that NMM would have fought alongside the party.

Xel Unknown Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:25 pm

The balancing issue can be somewhat mitigated by having the "ally boss" only be in combat for like two rounds before getting pulled out or maybe giving a random minor buff to the second boss could help things.

I can totally understand the reflavoring issue dude, some things aren't easy to reflavor. Just try to be open the other options you've got to deal with when the Players pull off something really neat with RPing. Personally I say make it that Nightmare Moon can't end up "dead" in this fight, and give the players a RPing round two to fix things or end up in an SUPER-ENRAGED BOSS ROUND TWO type of deal. Well that'd be what I'd do. Make sure to NEVER punish RPing that's the backbone of this game system after all.

And that's all I've got to offer off the top of my head.

The Warrior of Many Faces Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:27 pm

Xel Unknown wrote:The balancing issue can be somewhat mitigated by having the "ally boss" only be in combat for like two rounds before getting pulled out or maybe giving a random minor buff to the second boss could help things.

I can totally understand the reflavoring issue dude, some things aren't easy to reflavor. Just try to be open the other options you've got to deal with when the Players pull off something really neat with RPing. Personally I say make it that Nightmare Moon can't end up "dead" in this fight, and give the players a RPing round two to fix things or end up in an SUPER-ENRAGED BOSS ROUND TWO type of deal. Well that'd be what I'd do. Make sure to NEVER punish RPing that's the backbone of this game system after all.

And that's all I've got to offer off the top of my head.

Good advice, I'll definitely keep that in mind.

tygerburningbright Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:59 pm

Sigh what is the order if we are doing combat
Still think that a reflavored statue would work and noone is attached to a statue.

Doc pseudopolis Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:02 pm

Spoiler:

The Warrior of Many Faces Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:06 pm

Okay, I just realized that Busy Bee is not at the top of the Initiative Order, so it looks like the battering ram was out of combat to make that make sense. (I suppose that it could also be justified since she did it before full initiative was posted.)

Initiative Order:

MacVellion
Night
Toxin
NMM
Dragoon
Shadowbolt Guard 1
Busy Bee
Distant Cloud
Shadowbolt Guard 2

I'm waiting to see if there are any objections to the current plan of action before I officially post the results of the battering ram, though.

As for the flavor, tyger, it's a difference in style. You wouldn't expect a statue to fight like Nightmare Moon, or for Nightmare Moon to fight like the Smooze. They'd all have different styles, so I can't just reflavor it and expect it to have the same feel.

**LoganAura** Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:09 pm

I get what WoMf means here.

In my Ponysona Campaign, the guys fought a big spider boss that tied up a party member and if they didn't escape in time, the boss would drop them to -29 health. It would be hard to reflavor that boss fight since the whole gimmick of the spider was "Lured in and then go in for the kill" and stuff. the Way rather than the boss itself.

AProcrastinatingWriter Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:46 pm

It's been an unpleasant trial here for a lot of people, Warrior included.

Right decisions, wrong decisions, who cares? Let's just stop talking about it and put it all behind us.

Please.

**LoganAura** Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:47 pm

All righty.
NIGHTMARE MOON CREAM THE PARTY SO I CAN JOIN!

Doc pseudopolis Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:53 pm

Let's skip da unpleasantries and get right to da smashin'!

AProcrastinatingWriter Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:47 pm

orkz is made for fightin an winnin

Grey Pen The Flawed Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:19 pm

Doc pseudopolis wrote:Let's skip da unpleasantries and get right to da smashin'!

Wat, no choppas? I like choppas bedder.

elfowlgirl Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:48 pm

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait....

...whose turn is it?

Doc pseudopolis Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:52 pm

I'm waiting for the battering ram results to be posted.

The Warrior of Many Faces Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:56 pm

Once the battering ram results are posted, it's MacVellion's turn. Initiative proceeds from there.

I'm not sure I'll have time to post the results before finals are done, though, so you'll probably have to wait a bit. Sorry. >.<

Xel Unknown Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:40 am

I've updated Aqua with Critfisher trading out Open Options... And felt sad that there isn't a water based "weapon" yet...

Grey Pen The Flawed Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:42 pm

So re-flavor! This is Discord's World, it doesn't have to make sense.

I mean really, if a horrendously ugly yellow jumpsuit can pass as giving Resist 2, I don't see why you can't reflavor one or another that you like as a squirt gun or something.

Xel Unknown Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:46 pm

True... I guess I could try too... But none of them really are lending themselves to me as something I'd see Aqua as being able to do... Or in the case of that Wind Blade, I don't see it as something I really wanta try out. Strikes me as something not fit for PBP.

Edit: Maybe I'll take Blood Weapon... That'd be fitting given what she is and stuff.

kajisora Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:18 am

Soooo....
I've been looking over the Art of War, and i'd like to do a near complete overhaul of Busy's combat moves: most of the ones she has now will never get any use because she's too busy healing and summoning bees, while the really useful ones don't get used because her pip count remains more or less static.
Here's the updated list for appraisal, approval and/or dismissal ^^:

Busy Bee: Partial Necromancer:

And yes, I do plan to completely swamp the battlefield with bees.
Updated moves for this battle would bee:

Spoiler:

tygerburningbright Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:05 pm

who here thinks we should just disband or should we wait for warrior longer?

Quietkal Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:26 pm

tygerburningbright wrote:who here thinks we should just disband or should we wait for warrior longer?

I plan to just keep waiting, but I'm also dependent on him for 2 other campaigns.
I figure he'll show up soon enough.

AProcrastinatingWriter Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:29 pm

Wonder where he's been? Hope he's alright.

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